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Beer drinking linked to Mosque burning

Linn claimed that he had consumed 45 beers in the 6 hours before leaving his Indiana home to set fire to the mosque, which he had discovered while working as a truck driver.

Clearly we have to make beer illegal.

Mosque arsonist tells court: ‘I only know what I hear on Fox News’

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76 comments to Beer drinking linked to Mosque burning

  • hmmm… and where exactly is alcohol listed in the Controlled Substances Act?

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    • but it’s a great question! And it’s a question that should include tobacco… the answer of course is that neither substance is in the CSA.

      Tobacco, some 400,000 deaths a years, alcohol another 100,000 or so. Both are subject to abuse. Alcohol does have medical uses.

      Tobacco… medicinal only for us old folks that remember (it’s great as a poultice for drawing the yuck out of infected slivers and cuts)(it also works as a pesticide in the garden). Of course among indigenous folks here in the Americas tobacco was an important and revered medicine, for both body and spirit.

      Tobacco should be schedule I, alcohol further down the list. And… if neither is on the CSA, then cannabis does not belong there either, being, as it is, exponentially safer.

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  • someguy

    In case you missed it: Yes Duncan, the drug war budget is near $40 billion. It’s at 39.7 right now, and rising.

    http://www.drugsense.org/cms/wodclock

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    • someguy

      That’s right, Duncan, go ahead and ignore me. If you ignore this post and the facts, nobody will know that you were wrong and i was right. That’s why i quit this forum. If you don’t post 24/7 like Duncan, you just get ignored. Ain’t that right, folks?

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      • Duncan20903

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        There are many days when I sleep at night old man. I haven’t yet figured out how to post when I’m unconscious. When I do I’ll make it a point to let you be the first to know.

        I’ve got to admit that people who continue to insist they’re correct despite being proven wrong are amusing. Your link isn’t to the DEA budget which was what you claimed had a $40 billion on the other thread. Mine was. IMO we should leave the truth twisting to the prohibitionists. It’s their natural talent and you’ll never be as goiod at it as they are.

        Toodles!

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        • someguy

          Actually, what i said is The DEA controls a $40 billion budget which is a reference to the whole war on drugs budget, whether direct or indirect. If it were not for the DEA, we would not have a war on drugs, ergo, the tax-payers would not be sacrificing $40 billion this year to deal with that issue.

          So I didn’t twist it, you did. So please do not call me a liar unless you are damn sure of the facts, fella!

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        • someguy

          Permit me to explain myself better, if you will?

          All that i actually meant to say was that the “War on Drugs” represents a huge economic demographic, $40 billion in American taxes, this year. That is quite a lot of moolah, folks. Do you honestly believe that all the people out there in law enforcement and the revolving-door justice department want to stop sucking on that taxpayer teat?

          And who does the main cheerleading for the continuation of this fiasco?

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        • Duncan20903

          Now I am wide awake so it’s valid for you to get mad at me for ignoring you.

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        • darkcycle

          If you guys don’t pipe down back there I’m stopping this couch.

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        • Cliff

          I think we can all agree that the War On some Drugs is costing us a boatload of money. I would add that it is costing us in lost liberty and opportunity costs for those who responsibly choose to ingest prohibited substances and can’t make a decent living due to drug testing.

          I am almost willing to say write off the amount of loot that we’re paying the jackboots if and only if they sign a binding contract to never lift a finger to actively or passively try to lock people in cages or restrict their liberty to make a living for using illegal substances and go away. Then we could phase out this War On some Drugs. The trade off in increased productivity and job creation could offset the losses we are paying the jackboots. Kind of like paying farmers not to grow coca or cannabis, but I think it could work, we’re paying them as it is now. Hell, we pay farmers here not to grow crops (CRP anyone?)(I know, Dream on :))

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        • claygooding

          As we speak,,many of the DEA budget uses are hidden within Border Patrol,ICE,Coast Guard and even the VA but those costs are under the control of ONDCP.

          ONDCP is now transferring law enforcement grants over to Homeland Security,also the state eradication programs,,so now you may see HS helicopters joining in on the harvest fun. They are delegating these programs to reduce the budget of ONDCP which is climbing at a 50% increase per year(est)

          Every country that rattles its shield at marijuana prohibition has to be dealt with,,,= bucks,,no matter what other legalization efforts we are attempting,,the ONDCP must keep worldwide marijuana prohibition in place,,we wrote the STC and Harry Anslinger crammed it down the UN delegates throats,along with a million dollars to set up their enforcement agencies and we have been sending them funds every since.

          Not only is the cost of keeping countries in the fold going up but countries not even discussing reform are asking for more funding.

          As Kapt has said,,the dance is over and the bill is due.

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        • Matthew Meyer

          How ’bout some fangs for that Jerry Bear?

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    • War Vet

      I don’t understand the $40 Billion part you stated, the number is not accurate and no where close to the yearly financial cost the taxpayer pays for the War on Drugs. The money the U.S. Department of Defense spends in Afghanistan is the same thing as the budget for the war on drugs since 9/11 only happened because drugs are illegal (financed) and 9/11 sent us to a $3 trillion war fighting drug money in Iraq and Afghanistan and various foreign aid to Pakistan, all of which unleashed the Muslim Spring/wars that we have donated billions to as well (Brown University, NY Times, DEA, CIA, U.N., War College, BBC, PBS, Huffington Post, Zurich Institute, U.K. Guardian, Al Jazerra fact sheets). When we were still in Iraq, America was spending $394.5 Million a day on the war on drugs (since fighting drug money and fixing drug money terrorism/corruption is a part of the war on drugs) -this is of course confirmed by the D.O.D., NY Times, Brown University and countless others: that’s $2bill a week war against Narco Terrorism in the Middle East plus $40bill on Domestic drug war for one year divided by 365 days a year. Some of that $3 trillion war on drugs in the Middle East is still being paid out and will be paid out long after the war is over –long after they’ve legalized crack in Oklahoma (Vet health, Vet education, family assistance etc -all created because U.S. soldiers were forced to go fight against drug money because of a drug money financed attack (DEA, CIA, NY Times, Zurich Institute, War College etc fact sheets). But with Mexico and beefed up border security and aid because of the war in Mexico, it’s much more likely the number is billions more (the war on drugs encourages tens of thousands to immigrate illegally, which affects jobs and healthcare and education we the taxpayer pays). But then again: what about the money the U.S. gov’t spends to protect their assets against Pirates in the Indian? Pirates make their money smuggling drugs to the land and ports (lake/river jumping to the Nile from the land for dope headed north or the dope going up north through the Suez Canal), which increases their ability to do more than drug smuggling, like hijack ships, with the extra motor/man/gun power that drug money could create for them. What about security on behalf of the U.S. taxpayer for the 2008 Olympics in China? Drug money financed a terrorist attack at the Olympics in China, which furthered our spending on protecting our players for that Olympics and in the one in London. What about the higher cost in oil because Nigerian (and other Coastal African nations) oil won’t reach the world due to lack of drilling/refining because the regions are unsafe and filled with war -war partially (if not significantly) financed by drug money, thus increasing the American petrol prices (which is also attributed to lack of hemp fuels, which forces Americans to buy oil)? What about the millions of hemp jobs the DEA deny Americans, which costs us literally trillions of dollars in denied revenue and denied taxes, denied future technologies, denied worker benefits and company stocks decades at a time (which hurts even more when we have a recession and significant unemployment rate)? When you decorated your house for Christmas, none of the lights will work when one bulb is burnt out . . . we must search every bulb and wire and plug ins before we can find the one that causes our house to not look like Clark Griswold’s house during Christmas time. What about the increase in food prices because of denied hemp food or because land (or regions) that don’t receive hemp as a rotational crop are far more likely to be damaged by pollution, drought, winds, floods and wild fires, when science has showed hemp on public and private lands (ditch weed) to be tantamount to a healthy agriculture . . . it’s probably more true than not, that bread or meat or dairy costs a penny or more because they are not in competition with hemp foods, which logically requires the above to be used more, which encourages people to have less, who are on the bottom of the social economic ladder –which encourages social services (and foreign aid) to step in at a hefty taxpayer’s cost? We are all to be allies in this war against the Drug War . . . just because you are angry at Duncan, don’t boycott this site. It’s used to encourage thinking beyond what you have experienced or read to synthesize a victory utilizing all our knowledge and willingness to share it. Most of the time, I can concur with Duncan, but I do know for a fact, he lacks quite a bit of real world experience and academic maturity when seeing the big ‘War on Drugs’ picture (unlike me who not only graduated from college but the University of the Streets and from the school of Hard Knocks: Baghdad, CIA/DOD Military Prison deployment in a land filled with drugs, drug money, Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas and the Italian/Russian Mafia [that I doubt Duncan has relationships with people in Central Pacific Coastal Mexico who are protected by elements of the Sinoloa Cartel and their meth making ally, the Colima Cartel –hay, when in Rome right? And I doubt Duncan knows any former African Child soldiers or Yugoslavian Civil War child soldiers whose wars were impacted by the drug trade and made harsher] –all of this experience further driving my research routs and reasons for desire thereof). But Duncan is a good ally to have; he’s smart and he means well . . . he has had all of his shots and through trial and error, Duncan has learned that putting daisies in the barrels of riffles to not be the best method of activism and protest –which explains why he likes to bite and harp on those visiting the couch. Yes, you can teach old Grateful Dead Bears new tricks –but that will only happen if we let Duncan out to use the bathroom, feed and water him, love and groom him, so he doesn’t become a grumpy isolated old fashioned right wing thinking bear and likewise, Duncan will help us with any missing rationale when dissecting this illegal, Muslim Terrorist Wet Dream we call the War on Drugs.

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      • darkcycle

        W.V., I think they were referring to the current budget directly attributable to the War on Drugs, as administered through the visible budget of the ONDCP/DEA/Customs and Border Patrol budget system. Not the black budgets and collateral costs. For quotation purposes.

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        • War Vet

          Yeah I know, but the DOD budget still looks, walks and quacks just like the DEA, DOJ, ONDCP, Customs etc budgets. I think if we re-phrased the real world for the masses: Your government spends $140odd billion every year since Sept,11 2001 just to keep drug illegal. -then we might make more headway amongst those who don’t see the big picture -those who see the war on drugs as more of a problem for innercity youth and drug users and not commonon Joe Dirt Americans -to up the priority of ending it i.e. National Security demands the end of the drug war . . . when the average American can finally be made aware that 4 large airplanes crashing into major cities leaves more damage than a couple cakes of heroin, then we might escape the drug war. Or the impact of the American voter whose hearts are much bigger today for U.S. troops than in Nam: that Officer Pig Brady is 50% responsible for why your son died at age 18 in Iraq or Afghanistan -it’s an eye opener -or that District Attorney Jim Beam is 50% responsible for why your 19yr old daughter lost her legs, eyes, vocal chords, hearing and arms in Afghanistan –simply because she was heart-moved at the fact Pashto little girls get raped and beaten all the time in a drug money financed region controlled by the Taliban, which called her out to make a difference in the world. That Sheriff Barney Fife has well over 50% of the responsibility as to why millions of Americans are without work (because of denied hemp jobs and the trillions spent on the drug war and war against Narco-Terror). That Deputy John Short Dick is over 50% responsible for an increase in illegal immigration coming from Mexico’s drug war refugees. By the time you add up all the change and large bills, you would be totally hard-pressed in finding facts that deny that the Average American Police officer is over 50% responsible for our current recession (again if Hemp was allowed to be grown in American and thus utilized in the housing market for construction (after many decades of hemp homes), would homes be more expensive, which created the detrimental cracks that broke the housing market that brought about the recession –that is the first shot to be fired in the recession? If Americans were allowed to utilize hemp fuels (for decades at a time), does it decrease the likelihood of the Event Horizon Oil disaster ever happening, which literally broke huge chunks off the financial structures for the Gulf-States in a recession hard hit area of the South? Decreased petrol use because of a non-petrol competition would naturally decrease drilling or at least the drilling strains associated with: More-Faster-Deeper-longer work hours to supply the market with its only source of fuel. Because Federal law says treason during a time of war is grounds for removing citizenship from a citizen, we have no proof that any American cop (or other member of the DOJ) who obeys the drug laws as being American citizens, thus we can prove that the DOJ is an illegal military coup or foreign military invading America (since it’s logical to assume a non-American citizen inside America to be foreign). If one’s work gives aid to the enemy during war, then one is committing treason (and they are no longer ignorant, they can no longer claim that they didn’t know that their actions would bring about 9/11 etc, since they are still committing treason at their job –long after 9/11 and Iraq should have showed them the error they made) . . . since Obama is a drug warrior during a time of war, Federal Law protected under the Constitutions says that his second term in office is illegal –that he was elected illegally since it’s illegal for a non-citizen to run for office and any activity in the drug war helps the enemy, which makes Obama (and even Bush) an enemy to the state and void of his citizenship, thus proving we have a foreign Dictator in office (just like Bush). The above is valid and logical in the eyes of Constitutional Federal Law . . . if the American people were made aware that their local police officers and other DOJ workers were giving aid to Al Qaeda and the Taliban during a time of war (by protecting the black market via denying the legal market), it would be a head turner and with the DEA’s role in hemp and foreign made products sold in America/job outsourcing and in violating the Sherman-Anti Trust Act of 1890, we can prove it’s the black market that was meant to be created out of drug prohibition –proof cops keep drugs on the black market for Al Qaeda and the cartels etc is found in the fact that they know it does, yet didn’t fix the mistake after the fact –after it was found, while violating the laws that protect the free market (foreign hemp being sold in America, though not American made hemp) –which further proves it’s illegal to be a cop in America if one obeys the drug laws because said cops are hard-pressed to prove their citizenship in the first place. This is why I love reading the Constitution: it proves through legal language (and historical precedents) that the DOJ are Muslim Terrorist Sympathizers during a time of war –which makes them over 50% culpable for 9/11. Many of our Amendments in our constitution proves that most judges, cops and attorneys are working on their own accord and not that under the guise of the law, the state, the nation or community (they are rogue secessionist by definition of a secessionist –they have seceded from a Constitutional Government to make another nation called the DOJ [akin to the rebels making the Confederacy] i.e. minimum sentencing automatically denies one the right to trial since only a legal trial gives the judge and jury the right to decide the fate of the accused . . . the Marijuana Tax Stamp contained a catch 22 clause, which made it illegal (though hemp was protected under the Sherman-Anti Trust Act like all legal businesses of its time) and the punishment as cruel and unusual (illegal to do it, illegal to not do it), thus constitutionally nullifying the Tax-Stamp act, which would have nullified any precedents behind cannabis prohibition found in the CSA, thus in legal terms, the CSA has not been legally invented yet, since there is no evidence that marijuana or hemp was ever ruled illegal under Federal Law.

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        • War Vet

          Sorry, I was attacked by a made gang of ( ) in this comment

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        • darkcycle

          Somebody get War Vet a big bong hit! Stat! Better make that a double!

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      • toolateignoreme

        I don’t understand the $40 Billion part you stated, the number is not accurate and no where close to the yearly financial cost the taxpayer pays for the War on Drugs.

        http://www.drugsense.org/cms/wodclock

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        • War Vet

          But the Drugsense clock is not valid and doesn’t show the ammount of money the state and Feds spend each year or month on drug enforcment. For one, we know that the National Guard is under the budget of states and feds during deployment (state only when not), which isn’t represented in the drug war clock. Fighting drug money is the same thing as spending money on the war on drugs . . . there is no difference between the county of Yada-Yada Ohio spending one million on drug enforcment for the year 2012 and the DOD/VA giving the Stratt Family one million dollars for the death of their family member who was killed by a drug money bought bullet(s) or bomb by a drug money financed fighter in lands corrupted by drug money Taliban/War Lords. This is why the drug war clock is misleading and bad for the American people: there is a huge difference between $40 Bill and $144 Bill . . . $144 requires more attention and is much more serious. All of this can be proven by various DEA, CIA, War College, U.N. etc etc fact sheets . . . why not use the enemy’s data (DEA) as your own weapon?

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  • pfroehlich2004

    David Frum continues to make an ass of himself:

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/12/20/marijuana-s-victims.html

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    • strayan

      6,395 Marijuana Only Drug Offenders, No Prior Sentences
      4,796 Marijuana Possession Only Offenders
      1,599 Marijuana Possession Only Offenders, No Prior Sentences

      And that is only at one moment in time. How many tens of thousands, no, hundreds of thousands of people spent time in jail for marijuana possession over the years?

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      • Peter

        and once again a prohib ignors the life destroying added consequences of carrying a felony drug conviction for life

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      • claygooding

        Over 21 million people arrested for marijuana since 1972,,all living their lives under the stigma and economical disadvantage produced by just being arrested.

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      • Dante

        Me, for one.

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      • Duncan20903

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        In most States there’s a differentiation between jail and prison. Jail is where people who can’t make bail or are being held without bail wait for their court date and where misdemeanants and lesser felons serve their sentence. Prison is where felons go to serve their sentence. Prison is supposed to be for all felons but overcrowding has forced many States to house felons with shorter sentences to be housed in jails.

        I submit the assertion that most people convicted of cannabis law violations serve their sentences in jail, not prison. Now it’s possible that bit of arcana doesn’t matter because the Frums of the world missed that differentiation and that they’re just mistakenly referring to jails as prisons. But with the level of utter dishonesty demonstrated by those people I think it much more likely that they understand and are taking advantage of the fact that most people who have no experience with the system think that people in jail are in prison.

        The reality is that there’s simply no reason to believe that the Frums of the world aren’t purposefully perpetrating a fraud and are instead simply mistaken.

        http://www.canorml.org/arrestsprisoners.html

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        There are now over 14 times as many marijuana prisoners in California as in 1980. This does not count federal prisoners, such as Dr. Mollie Fry and Dale Schafer, Bryan Epis, Eddy Lepp, DC Costa, Virgil Grant, Kenneth Affotler, Luke Scarmazzo and Ricardo Montes, all of whom are serving mandatory minimums of at least five years for medical marijuana.

        Altogether, the state held 24,959 prisoners for inherently non-violent drug offenses at latest count; 8,587 of them for simple possession of controlled substances other than marijuana.
        /snip/

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    • Peter

      frum. kevs the ventriloquists new dummy. and by the way when did american police departments star sending people to prison. i thought the courts did that?

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    • kaptinemo

      He doesn’t seem to realize that he is talking at, not talking with, the members of the generational shift that is making cannabis re-legalization happen…the ones that are showing up in his comment section and rhetorically annihilating him. The ones who’ve had enough of prohib lies.

      But no matter. Yet another dinosaur, bellowing its’ defiance as it sinks into History’s tarpit of ignominy and irrelevance. Blub, blub, blub…

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      • Cliff

        “But no matter. Yet another dinosaur, bellowing its’ defiance as it sinks into History’s tarpit of ignominy and irrelevance. Blub, blub, blub…”

        Well played sir. Golf clap!

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  • Servetus

    No doubt this incident will reinforce the Muslim proscription of alcohol.

    It’s interesting that Muslims reject alcohol, yet until relatively recently have historically given cannabis and opium a pass. But then what could they possibly know, being an ancient culture and all, with centuries of social experimentation behind them?

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    • Duncan20903

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      I don’t think they deserve any credit except for demonstrating that criminalizing drinking alcohol produces the same kind of black market monsters as does the criminalization of any other in demand commodity.

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    • claygooding

      I think you are confusing Muslim governments with the Muslim religion,,as far as I know,the Muslim religious leaders don’t advocate prohibition as some Christian leaders do.

      Muslim governments are taking the ONDCP funding and must at least pay lip service to prohibition to get it,,the ones killing people for drugs are probably receiving plenty of criticism from they’re religious leaders.

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      • War Vet

        In many cases, the government is the religious leader and have more power than those who are in an official office (like Sadre’s orders trumps al-Yawer and Jalal Talibani [R.I.P] presidential rule). In many cases, the State i.e. the religion has outlawed drug use, drug sales and drug production, but also legalized drug production and sales for the glory of God (fatwa). And if selling drugs to heathens is tantamount to entering heaven, then it behooves the state (official state, not imams or clerics etc) to keep drugs illegal for the glory of God, since drug use equals the destruction of those already going to hell, which decreases Satan’s (non-Muslim world) influence over politics, economics and religion, so drug prohibition is key for salvation within the religious godheads of modern day Islam in many places of the world itself i.e. its impossible to own a gun without drugs being illegal since guns cost money and the black market provides Allah’s Army their weapons to wage war against Satan. You’ll most likely find more prohibitionists inside the religion than outside, though that might be the opposite when it comes to various regions like Morocco or Lebanon or Afghanistan and Turkey who have long histories behind drug production and culture. It was a religious leader who called for the prohibition of hashish since he noted that giving glory to God only came after getting high and not with much enthusiasm when sober. Besides the Koran calls for drug prohibition on a religious scale, though not on a global scale since drug use is the only thing that keeps the enemies of Allah too stoned to fight -too broken and in poor health and finances (destroyed youth equals a destroyed nation -wolves eat all the meat they want kind of scenario because the kids are high and the nation will fall). Intoxication is God’s enemy and therefore the Muslim Religion has dogmatic right to keep drugs illegal for Islam herself, but nowhere in the world do non-Muslim nations have the legal right to outlaw drugs because if they are not getting stoned, then they are in fact invading Allah’s Armies and countries and influencing their youth to drink, gamble, do drugs, have hookers, commit adultery, willingly allow themselves to be raped etc -so non-Muslim drug legalization is good for God since it protects God’s children. In the real world: you’re either stoned and therefore are dying and too week to resist the Armies of God because of drug use, while being too stoned to influence the youth of God or you are sober and killing a Muslim with your sword for his land and gold and perverted religion –you are clearheaded enough to wage a mean and cruel war against God’s children –sober people encourage incest and corruption of God’s people. (Quran 2.217; 7:157; 4:29)

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  • Duncan20903

    Linn claimed that he had consumed 45 beers in the 6 hours before leaving his Indiana home to set fire to the mosque, which he had discovered while working as a truck driver.

    Just imagine the reaction if he had said he took 45 bong hits, 45 rocks of cocaine, or 45 packets of bath salts instead of 45 beers. I must say that the free pass given to drinking alcohol abuse annoys me to no end.

    The specificity of that 45 number seems rather odd especially since it doesn’t divide by 6. Heck, if I drank 2 six packs in 6 hours I would have lost count after 3 cans. I guess he might have bought 2 24 can cases to start and had 3 cans left after the blackout ended. But how could he know that he didn’t go out and buy more or give some away while he was blotto? Hell, how can we be sure he was even watching Fox just because he says so?

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    • Peter

      the article also passes over the astonishing claim that a person who can drink 45 beers works as a truck driver

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      • Duncan20903

        I thought of that but left it out because there’s no evidence presented that he drinks while at work and CDL holders do suffer random breathalyser tests and a per se limit of 0.04 BAC. Someone that drinks 45 beers in 6 hours is going to have trouble passing a test a 0.08 BAC when they come to the next day.

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        • claygooding

          Even driving a car he is held to the same 0.04 level and relieves a ticket as a commercial operator dui,,meaning his job and cdl pretty much gone.

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        • Duncan20903

          Thanks, I was unaware of that factoid. Is he still subject to random tests in a private vehicle? Non CDL holders can’t be tested randomly because of the protection provided by the 4th Amendment. CDL drivers are because there’s a “compelling state interest” according to the SCOTUS.

          Did you know that Germany has a 0.03 BAC per se limit if the driver causes a collision? Sheesh, beer drinking is one of the first things that pops into my mind when I think of Germany. 0.03 is just about the lowest possible number because breathalyser tests are easily confounded at 0.02 and below. Gargle with Listerine and you can blow 0.02 without a drop of ethanol in your blood.

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        • Windy

          Hubby was a truck driver for 40 some years and still holds his CDL. The answer to your question, Duncan, “Is he still subject to random tests in a private vehicle?” is yes, ANY vehicle. If a CDL holder gets a DUI he loses his CDL. On the job, CDL holders are piss tested at twice the rate of other employees at the same company.

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        • claygooding

          When I retired my first action was to drop my cdl because of the dui and random testing you give permission for when you sign your license.

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  • Duncan20903

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    So today’s the big day! Just in case I don’t have the opportunity later I wanted to say it really was gratifying finding this little pocket of sanity in this looney bin of a world.

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    • Duncan20903

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      Oh poodles, I just realized it’s already 12/22 on the other side of the world. Never mind.
      http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=5

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      • claygooding

        There is a map showing the time zones and tracking the end of the 21st.
        I am still wearing my aluminum foil hat and eradicating all the hemp I can. Hot links and cold beer with a pot of red beans boiling,,,I wanna stink when/if I go

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        • darkcycle

          The world isn’t going to end. Not until we’re damn good and finished with what we started.

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        • Cliff

          I’ll help you out with responsibly consuming some interstate commerce.

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        • Duncan20903

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          My link above said that the predicted time had already passed before I posted it.

          Are we sure that the calendar people accounted for leap years? Didn’t some Pope reconfigure the calendar a couple of millenia back?

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        • Maria

          Yes yes! A ‘just in case’ mass consumption party is planned for tonight.
          You know.
          Just in case.
          It would be a pity to waste.

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  • kaptinemo

    Some day, maybe a year from now, some archeologist in Mexico is going to find another stone calendar, starting up where this one left off. And the first glyph will probably translate out as “LOL! April fools!” or something.

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    • Windy

      Apparently someone already did and that calendar goes 7000 years into the (our) future. Haven’t got a link, yet, but my son saw the article and told us about it last night.

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      • Maria

        From what I’ve read it’s the “same” calendar just the next cycle. There are numerous dates placed in the 14th b’ak’tun and well beyond.

        The crazy-like-a-fox people getting rich selling their “end of the world” books/supplies/mouse pads/t-shirts always forget to mention that to their hyper frothed flocks.

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  • Peter

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    Traffic stop and search in Texas…Unbelievable that the female officer actually requested that her violation of these women’s rights be recorded…I hope she and the pd get their asses sued…this is drug war power running amok

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  • primus

    Wait a minute; so now they can stop you for throwing a cigarette out the window of the car? Seems like that isn’t any kind of probable cause whatsoever.

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    • claygooding

      Littering with signs up nearly every 5 miles saying
      Don’t Mess With Texas and $150 littering fine,,,money maker turning into gravy train.

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      • kaptinemo

        Guess what? More signs of desperation. The DrugWar addicted police departments that have gotten used to cheap and plentiful loot are facing the end of their fix ticket, and already they’re getting nervous.

        Just imagine what will happen when they can’t bust you for weed anymore. They’ve gotten so used to the cash the DrugWar provided via forfeiture that they are facing very sharp withdrawal pains. Every little thing will become a ticketable offense…and cause a long-delayed debate in the country about police powers to occur.

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        • claygooding

          The grant money is no longer considered as a plus to city and county budgets but is depended on just like food stamps are to some families,any discussion of reduced funding sends cold chills down city managers backs.

          If I am not mistaken the fiscal cliff bill includes the police grant money,,if they don’t fix it the grants end,,,shall we pray for Republican stubbornness or Democrat pride?

          The problem Bonner and fellow Rep party leaders have about taxing the 2% is they are the 2%,,the rest of the Rep party that belongs in the 98% want the rich taxed more and it is self destructing the party as Bonner stands there and fights taxes to protect himself and raise taxes for the 98% or cut funding to social programs that benefit a lot of the 98%.

          I just hope he stays stupid and we go off the cliff.

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    • Cliff

      The jackboot allegedly “smelled weed” in the car as he was writing the ticket.

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  • stlgonzo

    No change. It makes me wonder it they are just playin’ rope-a-dope in Washington and Colorado. Let the shops set up then go in and take all the property and the cash.
    I hope I am wrong, but my cynicism is well earned.

    DEA warns: No free pass for medical pot

    “Marijuana is still a controlled substance,” Arvanitis said. “DEA is committed to investigating individuals who are involved in the distribution of marijuana. DEA goes to where the information and evidence take it. If we become aware that individuals are involved in marijuana distribution, we’ll investigate it.”

    http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2012/12/dea_warns_no_free_pass_medical_pot

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    • Duncan20903

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      Quite frankly I think that anyone who thinks it a good idea to volunteer to be part of the supply chains authorized by Amendment 64 and I-502 has got a screw loose in his brain. But god bless them because someone has to go first and as the poet said, “it ain’t me babe.” It’s also almost just as true when people decide to be a medicinal cannabis vendor. But there are ways to avoid legal jeopardy doing that.

      The authorities quoted above are just posturing at this point in time.

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      • Duncan20903

        Rats that post directly above should have been posted on “Teen Marijuana Use Doesn’t Cause Brain Damage” I really miss our beloved edit function.

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        • Unfortunately, I have to wait until the owners of the plug-in see fit to update it, and they haven’t been moving on it yet. I haven’t found another wordpress plug-in that does the same thing.

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        • Duncan20903

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          Oh my, I think I must have been cannabis addled yesterday evening. The post above did belong here and the one that belonged on the other thread is in where it belongs. Apparently it was my brain that was misplaced.

          Pete, I understand that you need to wait until the edit function works before it’s restored. I still miss it.

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    • War Vet

      But according to Federal Law, Marijuana has been reclassified to a Schedule 2 or 3 drug –proof of this reclassification is found in the laws and legally valid strength of the Department of Defense and Veteran’s Affairs and their doctors and staff who are employees of not only the States, but the Feds as well. They have conclude that smoked and non-smoked marijuana was a medicine which can be prescribed to veterans (which it is), thus the Federal Government Trumped the Federal Government’s claim in regards to marijuana as medicine. If the Federal Government says that the Federal Government is wrong, then who is right? Oh that’s right, the people who make up the Government (We the People) get the final say and the Constitution should be our road map in taking over the foreign military occupational force nicknamed D.O.J., since we have evidence clearly stating that most members of the DOJ are not American citizens because they lost their citizenship the day they obeyed any of the CSA laws after 9/11 since the CSA laws automatically creates the black market (black market would disappear if CSA was removed, thus proving CSA and Black Market are the same things) and the Black Market gives aid to America’s enemies during a time of war, which makes cops and DEA Muslim Terrorist Sympathizes (since that’s who we are at war with)

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  • Peter

    The NRA’s parallel with the drug warriors: what we’re doing isn’t working, so lets do more of it!
    Both have seen a massive pr setback in recent weeks and both went into uncharacteristic media silence, prompting speculation that they didn’t know how to respond. Now the NRA has decided that attack is the best means of defense, and scored a massive pr disaster as a result. Rest assured however that the Obama administration is taking careful note of what didn’t work, and will avoid doing anything that will backfire (excuse the pun) like the NRA’s fear mongering. They will continue to contract out the fear dissemination and lies to people like David Frum so they don’t also appear as right wing nut jobs.

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    • claygooding

      I can’t tell whether the gun supporters or gun takers are using the most fear mongering,,it makes me want to buy an assault weapon and shoot both sides,,before they are banned of course.

      If banning assault weapons is as effective as banning drugs nobody will be properly dressed without an Uzi.

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      • Peter

        the nra is massively funded by the gun industry as their propaganda wing just as the prohibs are funded by the prison, pharma, alcohol and tobacco industries. in either case the public gets lied to

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        • Duncan20903

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          So get the 2nd Amendment repealed. What’s the problem? Oh that’s right, not enough public support.

          It really is depressing when people who should know better sign up with the enemies of freedom.

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        • Duncan20903

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          Say Peter, I thought you might like to know that to this day I keep a .25 caliber bullet in my liver as a souvenir of the guy who tried to murder me in 1987. It’s always great for a laugh when I get an x-ray of my torso. Evidently those guys don’t see it very often because they always get a look of utter cognitive dissonance at first glance.

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        • Peter

          Duncan, you talk a lot of sense usually, but on this issue you’ve lost the plot. Every other industrialized democracy has strong and effective laws against the weapons you appear to think are defending your freedom. That’s why they avoid a record like this:
          http://tinyurl.com/dxx9724

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        • claygooding

          Peter,if the government bans assault weapons today what about the thousands that exist?

          Do the confiscate all they have addresses for or ask for voluntary drop off at your local sheriffs office?

          And when criminals and people that believe those guns are necessary for survival in a case where civil authorities are incapable of responding any longer?
          As with preppers.

          All a ban on guns will do is create another unwinnable everlasting war against the people while spending more tax dollars and losing more rights to the bureaucracy charged with enforcing the new bans.

          Why would anyone that knows how the government abuses it’s powers in every prohibition of anything want to give them something else to destroy our society with?

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        • claygooding

          PS: I do believe they need to tighten requirements on purchases and ban sales of any guns on the internet or “gun shows” or flea markets,garage sales,,any sale of them should only be allowed through a registerd gun dealer,,even sales between individuals could only be done through a gun dealer.

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        • Peter

          Clay, Here’s why much the same people who lie to you about cannabis are lying to you about the 2nd Amendment:

          “…it would be counterintuitive – as well as anti-historical – to believe that Madison and Washington wanted to arm the population so the discontented could resist the constitutionally elected government. In reality, the Framers wanted to arm the people – at least the white males – so uprisings, whether economic clashes like Shays’ Rebellion, anti-tax protests like the Whiskey Rebellion, attacks by Native Americans or slave revolts, could be repulsed.

          However, the Right has invested heavily during the last several decades in fabricating a different national narrative, one that ignores both logic and the historical record. In this right-wing fantasy, the Framers wanted everyone to have a gun so they could violently resist their own government.

          This bogus “history” has then been amplified through the Right’s powerful propaganda apparatus – Fox News, talk radio, the Internet and ideological publications – to persuade millions of Americans that their possession of semi-automatic assault rifles and other powerful firearms is what the Framers intended, that today’s gun-owners are fulfilling some centuries-old American duty.”
          Robert Parry on Alternet
          http://tinyurl.com/bswm6ma

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        • War Vet

          But that’s what the 2nd Amendment was for: protection against foreign and domestic threats (be it a riot or Unconstitutional government) and history will prove it. The Civil War (logical name, but not official name) between the British Empire and the British Rebels living in America is the first bit of proof that the framers wanted the people to fight what they considered ‘tyrannous’ governments or bad entities inside government (as seen in the Battle of Athens, TN 1946 against the police). The NRA is right in what they are doing (though foolish in allying themselves with law enforcement). The Civil War with Britain proved that the framer’s were intending on us to use ‘assault rifles’ or we can prove that the British Rebels under Washington didn’t use cannon or musket or war ships to fight his majestie’s forces. The Insurgency was meant to be protected by turning the insurgents (people) into the government, who were well armed. The 2nd Amendment gives us legal precedents to have the right to receive contraband (illegal guns) and legal guns as a method of arming ourselves against our own government (as seen in the British Civil War of 1776). The 2nd Amendment is supposed to protect us against an illegal Federal Government as well, since the Constitution tells us what form of government is legitimate and which one is illicit. I.E. the DOJ is an illicit government since the DOJ has single handedly removed any checks and balances blocking their power (and rise there of) and are working on their own accord and not in accordance with the legal Federal Government. The 2nd Amendment is legally allowed to be used against the DOJ since the Constitution proves they are an illegal entity (in sheep’s wool nonetheless) based on the fact that the CSA is an act of war against America because the CSA directly and indirectly funds America’s enemies (law protecting drug money in the hands of terrorists –removal of CSA removes illegal drug money, which proves the CSA is used to fund America’s enemy). Because CSA obeying DOJ members (cops etc) are committing treason (also seen in denying hemp to the U.S. Military during a time of war is an act of sabotage against the U.S. military, especially since ‘Hemp for Victory’ offers us legal precedents to currently grow hemp in America right now), they have been legally stripped of their citizenship (according to the Constitution), which makes them into a Foreign Military (what do you call a non-Citizen in America: foreigner?). Peter: do you know what the first independent nation that the Nazis conquered and occupied: Germany right? So, the 2nd Amendment begs and demands and gives all American citizens the right to have access to any kind of firearm one needs to wage a war against a foreign occupying enemy. If we can prove that the Revolutionary War was real, then we can prove that the Framers did intend for us assualt rifles, or we can prove Washington’s Army had not access to weapons outside of small hunting riffles and shotguns -which is not effective in waging war.

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  • RIP – Lee Dorman, 70, bass player for Iron Butterfly

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIVe-rZBcm4

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