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		<title>By: DdC</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2011 10:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first thing we do, let&#039;s kill all the lawyers&#039;.
&lt;I&gt;Play by Shakespeare
Henry VI - (Act IV, Scene II).&lt;/I&gt;

&lt;B&gt;US Narkofascists are terrorists...&lt;/B&gt;
Lawyers profit on the drug war, lie for a living. The better liars make more profits. On the internet anyone can pretend to be anything they want. Those who would choose to be liars, show the smallness of their minds. Those who follow them are mindless. 40 years I&#039;ve advocated against all vice being listed as crimes. Lawyers profit on vice being a crime. Then they plea bargain into mandatory rehabs and pisstaste corporations many &quot;smarter&quot; ones invest in.  Just because Ganja and Hemp have direct value for the citizens without wall st or lawyers as an inexpensive homegrown resource, Just because it is in competition with the wallmart street moneysluts and fossil fools coal, opecker crud oil and frackin gas into people&#039;s sinks. It&#039;s a threat to the Lawyers and Kocheads. Like a living wage is a threat. Like health care for all and not just Koch for profit prisons flunky Lawyers like Brucy fill. A libretard advocating censorship for liberty? Only a shyster amubulance chaser could even contemplate that. Now junior you either serve the American people or you serve the International Banks, Neocons and various Complexes. Selling treatments for the symptoms, working for the disease... Isn&#039;t it obvious?

Relative to other painkillers available on the prescription market, like OxyContin and Vicodin, marijuana is a tame option for pain relief. Mankind has been safely ingesting marijuana, both for leisure and for healing, for thousands of years, dating back to ancient civilizations in Egypt and India. In fact, I could go down to Wal-Mart right now and pick half a dozen legal items off the shelf with more lethal potential than marijuana: cough syrup, aspirin or acetaminophen, to name just a handful. So why the hesitation to make marijuana a viable medical option for the thousands of patients who could potentially benefit from it?
&lt;a href=&quot;http://cannabisnews.com/news/24/thread24323.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Michelle Lamont, Legalize It&lt;/A&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/sreply/320/Corporate-Welfare-Rats&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Strong corporate profits amid weak economy?&lt;/A&gt;
Corporate profits grew 36.8 percent in 2010, the biggest gain since 1950, according to Friday&#039;s latest report from the Bureau of Economic Analysis. No sign could be more clear that U.S. companies see the so-called Great Recession in the rearview mirror.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/topic/1562&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Corporate Muzzle&lt;/A&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.drugsense.org/cms/wodclock&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Money Spent on the War On Drugs this Year DrugSense&lt;/A&gt;

The U.S. federal government spent over $15 billion dollars in 2010 on the War on Drugs, at a rate of about $500 per second.
&lt;I&gt;Source: Office of National Drug Control Policy&lt;/I&gt;

State and local governments spent at least another 25 billion dollars.
&lt;I&gt;Source: Jeffrey A. Miron &amp; Kathrine Waldock&lt;/I&gt;

Arrests for drug law violations this year are expected to exceed the 1,663,582 arrests of 2009. Law enforcement made more arrests for drug abuse violations (an estimated 1.6 million arrests, or 13.0 percent of the total number of arrests) than for any other offense in 2009. Someone is arrested for violating a drug law every 19 seconds.
&lt;I&gt;Source: Uniform Crime Reports, Federal Bureau of Investigation&lt;/I&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/topic/1644&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Soros Monsanto Connection&lt;/A&gt; 12/19/10

Strong corporate profits amid weak economy - What&#039;s up with that?

U.S. corporations continue to post strong profits quarter after quarter, even as the unemployment rate remains high and the U.S. economic recovery plods along in fits and starts.

Corporate profits grew 36.8 percent in 2010, the biggest gain since 1950, according to Friday&#039;s latest report from the Bureau of Economic Analysis. No sign could be more clear that U.S. companies see the so-called Great Recession in the rearview mirror.

The strong profits, however, mask the continued difficult terrain for businesses. Yes, profits are high, but that doesn&#039;t mean business is strong.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/03/27/111113/strong-corporate-profits-amid.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Read more:&lt;/A&gt;

&lt;B&gt;10 worst corporate income tax avoiders.&lt;/B&gt;

1)      Exxon Mobil made $19 billion in profits in 2009.  Exxon not only paid no federal income taxes, it actually received a $156 million rebate from the IRS, according to its SEC filings.

2)      Bank of America received a $1.9 billion tax refund from the IRS last year, although it made $4.4 billion in profits and received a bailout from the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department of nearly $1 trillion. 

3)      Over the past five years, while General Electric made $26 billion in profits in the United States, it received a $4.1 billion refund from the IRS.

4)      Chevron received a $19 million refund from the IRS last year after it made $10 billion in profits in 2009.

5)      Boeing, which received a $30 billion contract from the Pentagon to build 179 airborne tankers, got a $124 million refund from the IRS last year. 

6)      Valero Energy, the 25th largest company in America with $68 billion in sales last year received a $157 million tax refund check from the IRS and, over the past three years, it received a $134 million tax break from the oil and gas manufacturing tax deduction.

7)      Goldman Sachs in 2008 only paid 1.1 percent of its income in taxes even though it earned a profit of $2.3 billion and received an almost $800 billion from the Federal Reserve and U.S. Treasury Department.

8)      Citigroup last year made more than $4 billion in profits but paid no federal income taxes. It received a $2.5 trillion bailout from the Federal Reserve and U.S. Treasury.

9)      ConocoPhillips, the fifth largest oil company in the United States, made $16 billion in profits from 2007 through 2009, but received $451 million in tax breaks through the oil and gas manufacturing deduction.

10)  Over the past five years, Carnival Cruise Lines made more than $11 billion in profits, but its federal income tax rate during those years was just 1.1 percent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first thing we do, let&#8217;s kill all the lawyers&#8217;.<br />
<i>Play by Shakespeare<br />
Henry VI &#8211; (Act IV, Scene II).</i></p>
<p><b>US Narkofascists are terrorists&#8230;</b><br />
Lawyers profit on the drug war, lie for a living. The better liars make more profits. On the internet anyone can pretend to be anything they want. Those who would choose to be liars, show the smallness of their minds. Those who follow them are mindless. 40 years I&#8217;ve advocated against all vice being listed as crimes. Lawyers profit on vice being a crime. Then they plea bargain into mandatory rehabs and pisstaste corporations many &#8220;smarter&#8221; ones invest in.  Just because Ganja and Hemp have direct value for the citizens without wall st or lawyers as an inexpensive homegrown resource, Just because it is in competition with the wallmart street moneysluts and fossil fools coal, opecker crud oil and frackin gas into people&#8217;s sinks. It&#8217;s a threat to the Lawyers and Kocheads. Like a living wage is a threat. Like health care for all and not just Koch for profit prisons flunky Lawyers like Brucy fill. A libretard advocating censorship for liberty? Only a shyster amubulance chaser could even contemplate that. Now junior you either serve the American people or you serve the International Banks, Neocons and various Complexes. Selling treatments for the symptoms, working for the disease&#8230; Isn&#8217;t it obvious?</p>
<p>Relative to other painkillers available on the prescription market, like OxyContin and Vicodin, marijuana is a tame option for pain relief. Mankind has been safely ingesting marijuana, both for leisure and for healing, for thousands of years, dating back to ancient civilizations in Egypt and India. In fact, I could go down to Wal-Mart right now and pick half a dozen legal items off the shelf with more lethal potential than marijuana: cough syrup, aspirin or acetaminophen, to name just a handful. So why the hesitation to make marijuana a viable medical option for the thousands of patients who could potentially benefit from it?<br />
<a href="http://cannabisnews.com/news/24/thread24323.shtml" rel="nofollow">Michelle Lamont, Legalize It</a></p>
<p><a href="http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/sreply/320/Corporate-Welfare-Rats" rel="nofollow">Strong corporate profits amid weak economy?</a><br />
Corporate profits grew 36.8 percent in 2010, the biggest gain since 1950, according to Friday&#8217;s latest report from the Bureau of Economic Analysis. No sign could be more clear that U.S. companies see the so-called Great Recession in the rearview mirror.</p>
<p><a href="http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/topic/1562" rel="nofollow">The Corporate Muzzle</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.drugsense.org/cms/wodclock" rel="nofollow">Money Spent on the War On Drugs this Year DrugSense</a></p>
<p>The U.S. federal government spent over $15 billion dollars in 2010 on the War on Drugs, at a rate of about $500 per second.<br />
<i>Source: Office of National Drug Control Policy</i></p>
<p>State and local governments spent at least another 25 billion dollars.<br />
<i>Source: Jeffrey A. Miron &amp; Kathrine Waldock</i></p>
<p>Arrests for drug law violations this year are expected to exceed the 1,663,582 arrests of 2009. Law enforcement made more arrests for drug abuse violations (an estimated 1.6 million arrests, or 13.0 percent of the total number of arrests) than for any other offense in 2009. Someone is arrested for violating a drug law every 19 seconds.<br />
<i>Source: Uniform Crime Reports, Federal Bureau of Investigation</i></p>
<p><a href="http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/topic/1644" rel="nofollow">Soros Monsanto Connection</a> 12/19/10</p>
<p>Strong corporate profits amid weak economy &#8211; What&#8217;s up with that?</p>
<p>U.S. corporations continue to post strong profits quarter after quarter, even as the unemployment rate remains high and the U.S. economic recovery plods along in fits and starts.</p>
<p>Corporate profits grew 36.8 percent in 2010, the biggest gain since 1950, according to Friday&#8217;s latest report from the Bureau of Economic Analysis. No sign could be more clear that U.S. companies see the so-called Great Recession in the rearview mirror.</p>
<p>The strong profits, however, mask the continued difficult terrain for businesses. Yes, profits are high, but that doesn&#8217;t mean business is strong.  <a href="http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/03/27/111113/strong-corporate-profits-amid.html" rel="nofollow">Read more:</a></p>
<p><b>10 worst corporate income tax avoiders.</b></p>
<p>1)      Exxon Mobil made $19 billion in profits in 2009.  Exxon not only paid no federal income taxes, it actually received a $156 million rebate from the IRS, according to its SEC filings.</p>
<p>2)      Bank of America received a $1.9 billion tax refund from the IRS last year, although it made $4.4 billion in profits and received a bailout from the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department of nearly $1 trillion. </p>
<p>3)      Over the past five years, while General Electric made $26 billion in profits in the United States, it received a $4.1 billion refund from the IRS.</p>
<p>4)      Chevron received a $19 million refund from the IRS last year after it made $10 billion in profits in 2009.</p>
<p>5)      Boeing, which received a $30 billion contract from the Pentagon to build 179 airborne tankers, got a $124 million refund from the IRS last year. </p>
<p>6)      Valero Energy, the 25th largest company in America with $68 billion in sales last year received a $157 million tax refund check from the IRS and, over the past three years, it received a $134 million tax break from the oil and gas manufacturing tax deduction.</p>
<p>7)      Goldman Sachs in 2008 only paid 1.1 percent of its income in taxes even though it earned a profit of $2.3 billion and received an almost $800 billion from the Federal Reserve and U.S. Treasury Department.</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.drugwarrant.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' />      Citigroup last year made more than $4 billion in profits but paid no federal income taxes. It received a $2.5 trillion bailout from the Federal Reserve and U.S. Treasury.</p>
<p>9)      ConocoPhillips, the fifth largest oil company in the United States, made $16 billion in profits from 2007 through 2009, but received $451 million in tax breaks through the oil and gas manufacturing deduction.</p>
<p>10)  Over the past five years, Carnival Cruise Lines made more than $11 billion in profits, but its federal income tax rate during those years was just 1.1 percent.</p>
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		<title>By: hornsea</title>
		<link>http://www.drugwarrant.com/2010/01/being-productive/comment-page-1/#comment-83380</link>
		<dc:creator>hornsea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jun 2011 15:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being productive  Drug WarRant I’m relatively new to blogging but liked the article it&#039;s very interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being productive  Drug WarRant I’m relatively new to blogging but liked the article it&#8217;s very interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Ripmeupacuppa</title>
		<link>http://www.drugwarrant.com/2010/01/being-productive/comment-page-1/#comment-6618</link>
		<dc:creator>Ripmeupacuppa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Wendy, for reminding me why I&#039;m fighting this fucking monster called prohibition!

My heart goes out to you and your kids!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Wendy, for reminding me why I&#8217;m fighting this fucking monster called prohibition!</p>
<p>My heart goes out to you and your kids!</p>
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		<title>By: BruceM</title>
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		<dc:creator>BruceM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 05:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesper: well said.  I agree completely.  We all know &quot;safety&quot; and &quot;danger&quot; have nothing to do with it.  Plus statistics about deaths and injuries are irrelevant to prohibitionists - the &quot;danger&quot; is in the psyoactive ability of the drug to be an intoxicant.  Like alcohol, but since the prohibitionists are all alcoholics, they sound just like the pot users in trying to come up with lame, implausible, hypocritical reasons why their favorite drug is different.  

Pot might make you giggle at a song lyric while you&#039;re sitting in someone&#039;s car as a passenger, and your giggle might distract them and cause them to look away from the road just long enought to prevent taking an evasive maneuver to avoid getting hit by a drunk driver.  So, the drunk driver hits the car with the sober driver because the sober driver&#039;s passenger had smoked pot a few hours before.  That&#039;s a &quot;marijuana related accident&quot; and that is why pot should never be legal, so sayeth the prohibitionist as they suck down their 3rd martini of the morning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesper: well said.  I agree completely.  We all know &#8220;safety&#8221; and &#8220;danger&#8221; have nothing to do with it.  Plus statistics about deaths and injuries are irrelevant to prohibitionists &#8211; the &#8220;danger&#8221; is in the psyoactive ability of the drug to be an intoxicant.  Like alcohol, but since the prohibitionists are all alcoholics, they sound just like the pot users in trying to come up with lame, implausible, hypocritical reasons why their favorite drug is different.  </p>
<p>Pot might make you giggle at a song lyric while you&#8217;re sitting in someone&#8217;s car as a passenger, and your giggle might distract them and cause them to look away from the road just long enought to prevent taking an evasive maneuver to avoid getting hit by a drunk driver.  So, the drunk driver hits the car with the sober driver because the sober driver&#8217;s passenger had smoked pot a few hours before.  That&#8217;s a &#8220;marijuana related accident&#8221; and that is why pot should never be legal, so sayeth the prohibitionist as they suck down their 3rd martini of the morning.</p>
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		<title>By: Just me.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just me.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Permenatilt To Jesper: Good points. Clearly the right of a person to determine what is “safe” for himself trumps any arguments about what is “safe for society”. People’s misinformation runs so deep, it is difficult to get all the points in. When someone says, for instance, “but Marijuana is dangerous!” I DO tend to reply with “No it isn’t….” rather than the more important “Why would that even matter?….” I’ll definitely keep that in mind.&lt;/b&gt;

Agree, were I defined what is &#039;not safe&#039; for me. Prohibition is not safe for me because, the laws imposed to enforce it not only effect those who use drugs but those who dont(myself). Therefore I deem prohibition not safe for me, society will have to make a determination on that in that respect eventually, for its self.

I look at prohibition like spraying bugs. Just because mesquitoes carry a desease, do we spray a chemical over all of us that causes health problems worse that the bugs carries? Just to kill the bug? Well we have, DDT. We dont anymore right?

Hopefully the pubic will see this oneday too.


_________________________________________________________

A vote  for cannabis legalization only is a vote for partial freedom only.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Permenatilt To Jesper: Good points. Clearly the right of a person to determine what is “safe” for himself trumps any arguments about what is “safe for society”. People’s misinformation runs so deep, it is difficult to get all the points in. When someone says, for instance, “but Marijuana is dangerous!” I DO tend to reply with “No it isn’t….” rather than the more important “Why would that even matter?….” I’ll definitely keep that in mind.</b></p>
<p>Agree, were I defined what is &#8216;not safe&#8217; for me. Prohibition is not safe for me because, the laws imposed to enforce it not only effect those who use drugs but those who dont(myself). Therefore I deem prohibition not safe for me, society will have to make a determination on that in that respect eventually, for its self.</p>
<p>I look at prohibition like spraying bugs. Just because mesquitoes carry a desease, do we spray a chemical over all of us that causes health problems worse that the bugs carries? Just to kill the bug? Well we have, DDT. We dont anymore right?</p>
<p>Hopefully the pubic will see this oneday too.</p>
<p>_________________________________________________________</p>
<p>A vote  for cannabis legalization only is a vote for partial freedom only.</p>
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		<title>By: permanentilt</title>
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		<dc:creator>permanentilt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 15:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruce, I don&#039;t know what a &quot;pot person&quot; is but I assure you I am not one. Sounds like some stereotype that prohibitionists throw out to dissuade any discussion at all. My name? My name could indicate that I&#039;m a a poker person or a pinball person, I don&#039;t know what &quot;permanentilt&quot; could possibly have to do with marijuana.

&quot;That’s like saying beer is different from vodka and should be treated differently under alcohol prohibition.&quot;

No, I didn&#039;t say kind bud is different from schwagg what I said was more like Alcohol and Cigarettes are different substances, which clearly they are, and must be dealt with independently.

&quot;But if you’re going to start out by saying it’s different from the other drugs,&quot; 

No, I said ALL substances are different, not that marijuana is the one exception. The fact that law enforcement treats all drugs the same, save in ridiculous &quot;schedules&quot; is murderously stupid. The CSA must be repealed and drugs must cease to be a law enforcement issue. But people aren&#039;t asking questions about the CSA these days, the debate is centering on marijuana specifically.


My point was that the public discussion now centers on marijuana, so instead of ridiculing the newly informed calling them &quot;hypocrites&quot;, &quot;pot people&quot;, and throwing out inflammatory remarks, just explain your position coherently and accept that they are on your side but might need more info. Name-calling achieves nothing and is counterproductive.

Jesper: Good points. Clearly the right of a person to determine what is &quot;safe&quot; for himself trumps any arguments about what is &quot;safe for society&quot;. People&#039;s misinformation runs so deep, it is difficult to get all the points in. When someone says, for instance, &quot;but Marijuana is dangerous!&quot; I DO tend to reply with &quot;No it isn&#039;t....&quot; rather than the more important &quot;Why would that even matter?....&quot; I&#039;ll definitely keep that in mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce, I don&#8217;t know what a &#8220;pot person&#8221; is but I assure you I am not one. Sounds like some stereotype that prohibitionists throw out to dissuade any discussion at all. My name? My name could indicate that I&#8217;m a a poker person or a pinball person, I don&#8217;t know what &#8220;permanentilt&#8221; could possibly have to do with marijuana.</p>
<p>&#8220;That’s like saying beer is different from vodka and should be treated differently under alcohol prohibition.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, I didn&#8217;t say kind bud is different from schwagg what I said was more like Alcohol and Cigarettes are different substances, which clearly they are, and must be dealt with independently.</p>
<p>&#8220;But if you’re going to start out by saying it’s different from the other drugs,&#8221; </p>
<p>No, I said ALL substances are different, not that marijuana is the one exception. The fact that law enforcement treats all drugs the same, save in ridiculous &#8220;schedules&#8221; is murderously stupid. The CSA must be repealed and drugs must cease to be a law enforcement issue. But people aren&#8217;t asking questions about the CSA these days, the debate is centering on marijuana specifically.</p>
<p>My point was that the public discussion now centers on marijuana, so instead of ridiculing the newly informed calling them &#8220;hypocrites&#8221;, &#8220;pot people&#8221;, and throwing out inflammatory remarks, just explain your position coherently and accept that they are on your side but might need more info. Name-calling achieves nothing and is counterproductive.</p>
<p>Jesper: Good points. Clearly the right of a person to determine what is &#8220;safe&#8221; for himself trumps any arguments about what is &#8220;safe for society&#8221;. People&#8217;s misinformation runs so deep, it is difficult to get all the points in. When someone says, for instance, &#8220;but Marijuana is dangerous!&#8221; I DO tend to reply with &#8220;No it isn&#8217;t&#8230;.&#8221; rather than the more important &#8220;Why would that even matter?&#8230;.&#8221; I&#8217;ll definitely keep that in mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesper Kristensen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesper Kristensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 13:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quoting permanentilt: &lt;i&gt;&quot;Mostly for Bruce:
The problem with your argument is that you are doing exactly what the prohibitionists do, lumping marijuana in with heroin, meth, LSD, etc. Prohibitioners are always quick to turn a marijuana discussion into a DRUUUUUUGS discussion. While discussing the benefits of medical marijuana, they are quick to point out that their friend’s son died of a heroin overdose. If you take the bait, and move the discussion to prohibition as a whole, you will lose the debate, every time, even if you are 100% right.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Prohibitionists will always turn things into a &quot;drugs discussion&quot;. War on Drugs, Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs, yada yada ...

I recognize, however, the vulnerability you mention here. I will maintain that it&#039;s a particular vulnerability that the cannabis reform advocates&#039; arguments are open to, because they simply do not seem to have a very coherent theory going for them (see below).

A. Prohibitionists have always screamed &quot;drugs are dangerous, hence should be made illegal&quot;. As such they seem to indicate that &quot;if only a drug WASN&#039;T dangerous it would be legal&quot;.

B. Way too many cannabis reformers have swallowed that bait hook line and sinker, so they have incessantly tried to REDUCE the question of Cannabis&#039;s legal status to a question of drug safety. I&#039;m as pissed as the next guy regarding the hypocrisy of Prohibitionists here. Nothing is more hypocritical than with cannabis. Yet *I* think the framing is entirely wrong. Whether some Nanny State &quot;prohibits something because it&#039;s dangerous&quot;, or &quot;allows it because it&#039;s safe&quot; rests on the same wrong premise that State has any business interfering like that and that dangers have anything to do with making good policy. It&#039;s a red heering, a shallow grave for us to waste away in.

C. The dear cannabis plant just so happens to actually, truly be the safest psychoactive substances known to man. But let&#039;s face it: SOME drug would have to hold this position. That it happens to be cannabis is just coincidence, but cannabis is still a drug just like alcohol is. However, it&#039;s my contention that cannabis activists place far too much importance of this crandom throw of the dice. Tenable? I don&#039;t think so. Next year some guys finds two plants and three new synthetic drugs that are proven scientifically to be safer than pot. Should we then Legalize the Five, and move to a ban on pot and alcohol? Oops, huh?

Prohibitionists have drawn a chalk outline on the pavement. They&#039;re just waiting for someone i cannabis reform to lie down willingly inside the chalk outline and play his part.

So while Prohibitionists and Pot Legalizers are playing their symbiotic game the latter, which is the largest and most powerful group of drug reformers, seem unable to work out a coherent &quot;theory of dealing effectively with risky behavior (drugs)&quot;. They just want to move pot into the same grouping as alcohol and have Prohibition continue unabated - or with increased fury - for the rest of us.

That&#039;s making EVERYTHING much harder for those of us who do not believe in the very similar lies told about other drugs like LSD, MDMA, psilocybin, 2C-B, methylone, and well ... even meth. Did I mention I know people who use meth occasionally and are leading good, productive lives?

What? Government can&#039;t lie about other drugs too?

It&#039;s so very hard to watch the struggle of our brethren knowing that while they most certainly will achieve success, they&#039;re not just &quot;not lifting a finger to help us&quot; (which would be OK), but their approach WILL cause even more years by me and my friends to waste away in drug policy reform when we try to correct the faulty theory of cannabis legalization (which is not OK).

Hence my frequent remark that if this was about racism, we&#039;d have one group just wanting to have one, naturally growing, totally nice race be exempt from Apartheid racism while not giving a flying frak about any other race. (No, I&#039;m not saying &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt;. I&#039;m pointing out the apparent lack of theory on the subject of drugs behind the struggle to rehabilitate cannabis.)

BTW, I absolutely adore cannabis in all it&#039;s forms. Who&#039;d have known.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quoting permanentilt: <i>&#8220;Mostly for Bruce:<br />
The problem with your argument is that you are doing exactly what the prohibitionists do, lumping marijuana in with heroin, meth, LSD, etc. Prohibitioners are always quick to turn a marijuana discussion into a DRUUUUUUGS discussion. While discussing the benefits of medical marijuana, they are quick to point out that their friend’s son died of a heroin overdose. If you take the bait, and move the discussion to prohibition as a whole, you will lose the debate, every time, even if you are 100% right.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Prohibitionists will always turn things into a &#8220;drugs discussion&#8221;. War on Drugs, Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs, yada yada &#8230;</p>
<p>I recognize, however, the vulnerability you mention here. I will maintain that it&#8217;s a particular vulnerability that the cannabis reform advocates&#8217; arguments are open to, because they simply do not seem to have a very coherent theory going for them (see below).</p>
<p>A. Prohibitionists have always screamed &#8220;drugs are dangerous, hence should be made illegal&#8221;. As such they seem to indicate that &#8220;if only a drug WASN&#8217;T dangerous it would be legal&#8221;.</p>
<p>B. Way too many cannabis reformers have swallowed that bait hook line and sinker, so they have incessantly tried to REDUCE the question of Cannabis&#8217;s legal status to a question of drug safety. I&#8217;m as pissed as the next guy regarding the hypocrisy of Prohibitionists here. Nothing is more hypocritical than with cannabis. Yet *I* think the framing is entirely wrong. Whether some Nanny State &#8220;prohibits something because it&#8217;s dangerous&#8221;, or &#8220;allows it because it&#8217;s safe&#8221; rests on the same wrong premise that State has any business interfering like that and that dangers have anything to do with making good policy. It&#8217;s a red heering, a shallow grave for us to waste away in.</p>
<p>C. The dear cannabis plant just so happens to actually, truly be the safest psychoactive substances known to man. But let&#8217;s face it: SOME drug would have to hold this position. That it happens to be cannabis is just coincidence, but cannabis is still a drug just like alcohol is. However, it&#8217;s my contention that cannabis activists place far too much importance of this crandom throw of the dice. Tenable? I don&#8217;t think so. Next year some guys finds two plants and three new synthetic drugs that are proven scientifically to be safer than pot. Should we then Legalize the Five, and move to a ban on pot and alcohol? Oops, huh?</p>
<p>Prohibitionists have drawn a chalk outline on the pavement. They&#8217;re just waiting for someone i cannabis reform to lie down willingly inside the chalk outline and play his part.</p>
<p>So while Prohibitionists and Pot Legalizers are playing their symbiotic game the latter, which is the largest and most powerful group of drug reformers, seem unable to work out a coherent &#8220;theory of dealing effectively with risky behavior (drugs)&#8221;. They just want to move pot into the same grouping as alcohol and have Prohibition continue unabated &#8211; or with increased fury &#8211; for the rest of us.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s making EVERYTHING much harder for those of us who do not believe in the very similar lies told about other drugs like LSD, MDMA, psilocybin, 2C-B, methylone, and well &#8230; even meth. Did I mention I know people who use meth occasionally and are leading good, productive lives?</p>
<p>What? Government can&#8217;t lie about other drugs too?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s so very hard to watch the struggle of our brethren knowing that while they most certainly will achieve success, they&#8217;re not just &#8220;not lifting a finger to help us&#8221; (which would be OK), but their approach WILL cause even more years by me and my friends to waste away in drug policy reform when we try to correct the faulty theory of cannabis legalization (which is not OK).</p>
<p>Hence my frequent remark that if this was about racism, we&#8217;d have one group just wanting to have one, naturally growing, totally nice race be exempt from Apartheid racism while not giving a flying frak about any other race. (No, I&#8217;m not saying <i>that</i>. I&#8217;m pointing out the apparent lack of theory on the subject of drugs behind the struggle to rehabilitate cannabis.)</p>
<p>BTW, I absolutely adore cannabis in all it&#8217;s forms. Who&#8217;d have known.</p>
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		<title>By: DavesNotHere</title>
		<link>http://www.drugwarrant.com/2010/01/being-productive/comment-page-1/#comment-6422</link>
		<dc:creator>DavesNotHere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 09:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I try to save my name-calling for politicians like Joe &quot;Lock up Chong and his bong&quot; Biden. If I call any drug reformers here a name, it truly reflects more on me being a jerk than them being whatever name I call them. Disagreeing isn&#039;t a bad thing, but it usually can be done in a less hostile manner than I often choose.

Stick to the truth and your hardly ever wrong.</description>
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<p>Stick to the truth and your hardly ever wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Voletear</title>
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		<dc:creator>Voletear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 01:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Consider a hypothetical future of cannabis legalization for any use. It&#039;s probably safe to say that the cartels would attempt to make up the difference with the other drugs. Just imagine the mileage the Prohibition Zealots would get out of that wrinkle. We&#039;d be fighting &lt;b&gt;re&lt;/b&gt;-prohibitionists. We would, however, be even more disjointed than we are now.

Perhaps some of the cannabis-centric readers would tell us what they would do about drugs of addiction and the poly-drugs? Under your benevolent dictatorship how would we deal with these drugs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Consider a hypothetical future of cannabis legalization for any use. It&#8217;s probably safe to say that the cartels would attempt to make up the difference with the other drugs. Just imagine the mileage the Prohibition Zealots would get out of that wrinkle. We&#8217;d be fighting <b>re</b>-prohibitionists. We would, however, be even more disjointed than we are now.</p>
<p>Perhaps some of the cannabis-centric readers would tell us what they would do about drugs of addiction and the poly-drugs? Under your benevolent dictatorship how would we deal with these drugs?</p>
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		<title>By: Just me.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just me.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 00:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;BruceM:I could not disagree more. That’s like saying beer is different from vodka and should be treated differently under alcohol prohibition. The point is that prohibition causes crime, causes government/police corruption, causes America to have the highest prison population of any country in the history of the planet, causes us to lose all our rights and all our values, causes us to waste trillions in taxpayer dollars, causes wars, causes violence and death in other countries (as we see in Mexico right now), causes us to be hated by other countries, funds terrorists and other criminals, causes the people who use drugs to be instant criminals who have to spend 100x the money for an inferior, adulterated, impure, unmeasured and thus unsafe product, and when something goes bad their friends are afraid to bring them to a hospital. Drug prohibition was started as a policy of racism and it perpetuates racism to this day. Our prisons are overcrowded, our police are corrupt, our government is on the verge of financial collapse.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

See now , this is what is so screwed up! ALL the things you listed there Bruce, Please someone tell me, All the carnage and our leaders refuse to change this law. Its just criminal to allow this to happen to America.

We have had our rights stripped for the supposed purpose of fighting terrorists, to keep us safe. Our lives are and maynever be the same. Now suppose for one minute that if our leaders didint do something to keep terrorists from destroying our country. The outrage would be &lt;b&gt;MASSIVE !!&lt;/b&gt;

Back to your list Bruce. All that caranage is just as bad. Wheres the outrage? Why do our leaders think its &quot;ok&quot; to let this continue? How insane are these people whom we supposedly trust to lead this country. &lt;b&gt;ITS CRIMINAL TO LET THIS CONTINUE ! THIS IS NOT PROTECTING OUR COUNTRY OR HELPING THE KIDS!&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><i>BruceM:I could not disagree more. That’s like saying beer is different from vodka and should be treated differently under alcohol prohibition. The point is that prohibition causes crime, causes government/police corruption, causes America to have the highest prison population of any country in the history of the planet, causes us to lose all our rights and all our values, causes us to waste trillions in taxpayer dollars, causes wars, causes violence and death in other countries (as we see in Mexico right now), causes us to be hated by other countries, funds terrorists and other criminals, causes the people who use drugs to be instant criminals who have to spend 100x the money for an inferior, adulterated, impure, unmeasured and thus unsafe product, and when something goes bad their friends are afraid to bring them to a hospital. Drug prohibition was started as a policy of racism and it perpetuates racism to this day. Our prisons are overcrowded, our police are corrupt, our government is on the verge of financial collapse.</i></b></p>
<p>See now , this is what is so screwed up! ALL the things you listed there Bruce, Please someone tell me, All the carnage and our leaders refuse to change this law. Its just criminal to allow this to happen to America.</p>
<p>We have had our rights stripped for the supposed purpose of fighting terrorists, to keep us safe. Our lives are and maynever be the same. Now suppose for one minute that if our leaders didint do something to keep terrorists from destroying our country. The outrage would be <b>MASSIVE !!</b></p>
<p>Back to your list Bruce. All that caranage is just as bad. Wheres the outrage? Why do our leaders think its &#8220;ok&#8221; to let this continue? How insane are these people whom we supposedly trust to lead this country. <b>ITS CRIMINAL TO LET THIS CONTINUE ! THIS IS NOT PROTECTING OUR COUNTRY OR HELPING THE KIDS!</b></p>
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