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	<title>Comments on: Drug-free work week, er, half-week</title>
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	<description>by Pete Guither</description>
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		<title>By: Cliff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 00:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Repeat after me;

I will not piss away my liberty for temporary financial security.

There, now you&#039;re free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Repeat after me;</p>
<p>I will not piss away my liberty for temporary financial security.</p>
<p>There, now you&#8217;re free.</p>
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		<title>By: jackl</title>
		<link>http://www.drugwarrant.com/2009/10/drug-free-work-week-er-half-week/comment-page-1/#comment-2821</link>
		<dc:creator>jackl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 17:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IIRC, &quot;real&quot; drug tests which are mandated by federal law (such as for transportation employees and convicted persons on probation) have ALWAYS been &quot;direct observation&quot; tests and the testing protocols (for what drugs are tested, how and levels considered &quot;positive&quot;, etc.) are similarly dictated by law.

Most &quot;pre employment&quot; drug tests, however, such as those typically required by low-wage corporate employers such as Walmart, Home Depot and similar companies, are NOT controlled or required by federal regulations.  They only need to comply with that company&#039;s own policy and procedures.  (These tests are voluntary, because a company gets federal contracts, or just likes a &quot;drug free workplace&quot; and an opportunity to get more controllable, docile workers.  In some states, there is a slight discount in Worker&#039;s Compensation premiums like 5% offered by some insurance carriers).

In any case, these &quot;faux&quot; voluntary &quot;preemployment&quot; drug tests tend to be as cheap as possible for the company (the instant test panels rather than lab work) and there is typically no requirement of direct observation.

But if you&#039;re a ex-convict, a pilot or a long-haul truck driver who is covered by US DOT or DOJ/BOP requirements, expect the full monty when you&#039;re tested and leave the Wizzenator at home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IIRC, &#8220;real&#8221; drug tests which are mandated by federal law (such as for transportation employees and convicted persons on probation) have ALWAYS been &#8220;direct observation&#8221; tests and the testing protocols (for what drugs are tested, how and levels considered &#8220;positive&#8221;, etc.) are similarly dictated by law.</p>
<p>Most &#8220;pre employment&#8221; drug tests, however, such as those typically required by low-wage corporate employers such as Walmart, Home Depot and similar companies, are NOT controlled or required by federal regulations.  They only need to comply with that company&#8217;s own policy and procedures.  (These tests are voluntary, because a company gets federal contracts, or just likes a &#8220;drug free workplace&#8221; and an opportunity to get more controllable, docile workers.  In some states, there is a slight discount in Worker&#8217;s Compensation premiums like 5% offered by some insurance carriers).</p>
<p>In any case, these &#8220;faux&#8221; voluntary &#8220;preemployment&#8221; drug tests tend to be as cheap as possible for the company (the instant test panels rather than lab work) and there is typically no requirement of direct observation.</p>
<p>But if you&#8217;re a ex-convict, a pilot or a long-haul truck driver who is covered by US DOT or DOJ/BOP requirements, expect the full monty when you&#8217;re tested and leave the Wizzenator at home.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had to drug test for about a year and a half.  It wasn&#039;t as intrusive as this, but it&#039;s still really awkward when someone is standing directly behind  you waiting till your done.  I know quite a few people who have had the direct observation.  I&#039;ve always thought that they shouldn&#039;t have the right to force you to show them your naughty bits.  It&#039;s a sad world we live in indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had to drug test for about a year and a half.  It wasn&#8217;t as intrusive as this, but it&#8217;s still really awkward when someone is standing directly behind  you waiting till your done.  I know quite a few people who have had the direct observation.  I&#8217;ve always thought that they shouldn&#8217;t have the right to force you to show them your naughty bits.  It&#8217;s a sad world we live in indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: kaptinemo</title>
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		<dc:creator>kaptinemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;What kind of a sick society are we breeding?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

The kind that Walter Lippmann in his &lt;i&gt;Preface to Morals&lt;/i&gt; warned us about, one in which, to stop its&#039; fearful hands from shaking, will accept manacles...and also attempt to place those manacles upon those who neither need nor want them, as they are quite able to regulate their own behavior based upon personal convictions, and don&#039;t require anyone else to do their thinking for them.

That&#039;s what prohibs mean to me. They&#039;re the pathetic sorts that want a  Big Mommy or Big Daddy to tell them what to do...or worse, harbor a secret desire to &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;be&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; that Big Mommy or Big Daddy. Authoritarianism invariably stems from the fear of its&#039; adherents that the freedom of others will cause damage to themselves, and so that freedom must be throttled. Hence the drug law manacles they clap upon their own wrists, and demand we wear as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;What kind of a sick society are we breeding?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>The kind that Walter Lippmann in his <i>Preface to Morals</i> warned us about, one in which, to stop its&#8217; fearful hands from shaking, will accept manacles&#8230;and also attempt to place those manacles upon those who neither need nor want them, as they are quite able to regulate their own behavior based upon personal convictions, and don&#8217;t require anyone else to do their thinking for them.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what prohibs mean to me. They&#8217;re the pathetic sorts that want a  Big Mommy or Big Daddy to tell them what to do&#8230;or worse, harbor a secret desire to <i><b>be</b></i> that Big Mommy or Big Daddy. Authoritarianism invariably stems from the fear of its&#8217; adherents that the freedom of others will cause damage to themselves, and so that freedom must be throttled. Hence the drug law manacles they clap upon their own wrists, and demand we wear as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Hope</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I understand it, this new rule is to be used when it&#039;s known that the victim of the test has tried to implement procedures in the past that might keep the test from showing positive. 

Which sounds strange to me, because I figure that such a situation with major transportation employees would have already resulted in firing and no more tests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I understand it, this new rule is to be used when it&#8217;s known that the victim of the test has tried to implement procedures in the past that might keep the test from showing positive. </p>
<p>Which sounds strange to me, because I figure that such a situation with major transportation employees would have already resulted in firing and no more tests.</p>
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		<title>By: allan420</title>
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		<dc:creator>allan420</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow... somebody, or a panel of somebodies, had to come up with that ruling.

Stuff like this reminds me why I always liked that David Crosby song... &quot;What Are Their Names&quot;

 I wonder who they are
 The men who really run this land
 And I wonder why they run it
 With such a thoughtless hand

 What are their names
 And on what streets do they live
 I&#039;d like to ride right over
 This afternoon and give
 Them a piece of my mind
 About peace for mankind
 Peace is not an awful lot to ask
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow&#8230; somebody, or a panel of somebodies, had to come up with that ruling.</p>
<p>Stuff like this reminds me why I always liked that David Crosby song&#8230; &#8220;What Are Their Names&#8221;</p>
<p> I wonder who they are<br />
 The men who really run this land<br />
 And I wonder why they run it<br />
 With such a thoughtless hand</p>
<p> What are their names<br />
 And on what streets do they live<br />
 I&#8217;d like to ride right over<br />
 This afternoon and give<br />
 Them a piece of my mind<br />
 About peace for mankind<br />
 Peace is not an awful lot to ask</p>
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		<title>By: paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 09:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Outrageous, isn&#039;t it?  

Elimination of this rule ought to be taken up on the House floor as a new bill.  Maybe Ron Paul could do it.  Anyone who resists eliminating the rule could be ridiculed mercilessly on the late-night TV mockery circuit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Outrageous, isn&#8217;t it?  </p>
<p>Elimination of this rule ought to be taken up on the House floor as a new bill.  Maybe Ron Paul could do it.  Anyone who resists eliminating the rule could be ridiculed mercilessly on the late-night TV mockery circuit.</p>
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		<title>By: BruceM</title>
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		<dc:creator>BruceM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 06:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>please, please take my privacy away from me.  Please take away my rights, liberties, and dignity.  For the children!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>please, please take my privacy away from me.  Please take away my rights, liberties, and dignity.  For the children!</p>
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		<title>By: kant</title>
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		<dc:creator>kant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 02:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess the people over at the department of transportation wanted to take a page out of Safford Middle School&#039;s book.

on a serious note, how is this legal? I mean this is a partial strip search. How is this not a violation of the 4th amendment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess the people over at the department of transportation wanted to take a page out of Safford Middle School&#8217;s book.</p>
<p>on a serious note, how is this legal? I mean this is a partial strip search. How is this not a violation of the 4th amendment?</p>
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		<title>By: ezrydn</title>
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		<dc:creator>ezrydn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 02:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d definitely miss the &quot;collection container.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d definitely miss the &#8220;collection container.&#8221;</p>
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