Comments on: Want to ask the Drug Czar a question?

By: jhelion

jhelion — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 06:26:38 +0000

Q for drug czar: “We need to learn from history in order to avoid repeating mistakes, and most would agree that alcohol prohibition was a failure on many fronts. This includes the violence and power of gangs to the health consequences of bathtub gin etc. From a policy as well as a perception perspective, how is prohibiting the things we prohibit today different than the prohibition from the ’20s and ’30s?”

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By: Pete

Pete — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 17:24:59 +0000

I understand, ezrydn. I’m just saying that you don’t have to install anything to participate if you already have it installed because you use it for business or other purposes. This isn’t something you have to get from Harvard or the ONDCP.

I, personally, hate putting Microsoft products on my computer (I find them clunky and overly intrusive), but I have to have some of them for business reasons.

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By: ezrydn

ezrydn — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 15:56:51 +0000

Just conveying the report on it I found. You can either take it or leave it. I will say that I’ve used it in the past. A friend had me install it so he could work on my computer remotely. After he finished, I uninstalled the program and it took forever to get all the components out. A friend, I’d trust. Harvard/ONDCP, no trust.

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By: Pete

Pete — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 15:03:42 +0000

ezrydn. It’s not Gil’s instructions page. It’s the instructions page for Harvard Kennedy Schools series (the host), which they use for all their online events, and the software is fairly basic Windows (part of some Microsoft Office packages). To have a live discussion on the web, you have to use some kind of software.

Sure, I’m not interested in installing it (I can’t, I’m on a Mac), but I don’t think it necessarily warrants quite that level of paranoia.

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By: ezrydn

ezrydn — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:43:59 +0000

Check this page out: http://spywarefiles.prevx.com/RRGHDJ569034/LMSETUP.EXE.html

You sure you want to install this to participate? On Gil’s “Instructions” page, the file name is listed.

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By: ezrydn

ezrydn — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:36:23 +0000

Allen420,

It hit me immediately. I don’t need special software to communicate with others on the net. Why do I need THEIR software? Is is certified bug free? By whom? Is it an IP reporter? That’s a list they’d love to have. Besides, it would all be for another lie so there’s really no reason for the chance. I may be ignorant about many things but I’m not stupid.

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By: SpGNo

SpGNo — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 05:20:37 +0000

“People want to be told what to do so badly they will listen to almost anyone.” Don Draper

I recommend reading this book:

http://www.amazon.com/Made-Stick-Ideas-Survive-Others/dp/1400064287

The Drug Czar’s office use propaganda techniques, and marijuana reform advocates are not. Never mind logic, getting ideas to stick in the collective unconscious is a science. What the marijuana reform movement needs is one set of ideas built up from the instructions in Made to Stick.

Asshats like Newt Gingrich got power by being hyperaware of the power of language and repetition. We should shamelessly steal their techniques. If Newt Gingrich was in charge of marijuana reform, every marijuana reform advocate would be on TV talking about putting human beings in rape cages for plants in the same easily digestible language repeated over and over again. Testing would be done to see exactly how targeted demographics respond to specific words, and this would be the basis for deciding exactly what words get repeated over and over and over again. Here is a great sampling of GOP docs on using language for social control. We need to steal these techniques to win. http://www.skilluminati.com/research/entry/newt_gingrich_on_using_language_for_social_control/

Yeah, we should want to ask the drug czar questions, but until our questions are informed by the same techniques of mass manipulation that got us a drug war in the first place, we won’t be effective agents of change. We need an army of people asking the same focus group driven questions in the same language at every opportunity.

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By: allan420

allan420 — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 04:31:24 +0000

Pete… we know Gil doesn’t study. Hell, he doesn’t even own a dictionary. heh…

I would home hope one of our wunderkind-dope-smoking-super-’puter-tech-geek downloads the software and then dissects it. ‘Cause ez’s thought was picked up here, way norte of Mexico.

And Pete’s point about what Gil won’t/can’t say? That is exactly why we will never hear the names (Peter McW, Donald Scott, Patrick Dorismond, Tom Crosslin and Rolle Rohm…) or the studies (Shafer’s, DEA ALJ Young’s…), or about the US Patent on cannabinoids as anti-oxidants and neuro-protectants or we won’t hear about the CIND and Irv and Elvie and all the others.

Which is exactly why all those names and studies need to stay in their face. F’ ‘em if they can’t take a joke. Especially when they’re the butt of the joke.

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By: Pete

Pete — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 03:54:25 +0000

Actually, jhelion, if he answered that way, it would be great. Somebody would be filing a Freedom Of Information act request the next day demanding the results of that study.

No, he could say that the group is too small to be worth studying, but he can’t say he studied them without getting into some trouble.

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By: jhelion

jhelion — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 03:38:21 +0000

Pete,
(putting on GAO-approved lie filter)
“We have studied Irv and his hippie buddies and have established the irrefutable fact that only big pharma-based poisons can provide any benefit”

I hope someone asks about the patent the US govt holds for medical cannabis.

EZ – tru dat…. I will only participate on some anonymous computer if available… I wonder if TOR would help.

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