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By: BruceM

BruceM — Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:47:19 +0000

DdC: I don’t think it’s appeasement, I think it’s hypocrisy. I realize it’s easier to advocate legalizing pot than crack, but it seems extremely hypocritical and even selfish to me. To only advocate for the legalization of your drug of choice while implicitly conceding that all the other drugs that other people like are properly criminalized.

If one’s position is let’s start with marijuana and then when the world doesn’t end, we can move on to decriminalizing the other drugs, then fine – I can and do respect that position. But I don’t know anyone out there who actually takes that position.

Either drugs possession/use is a crime or it’s not. All or nothing. The grand purpose should be to end the public policy disaster that is drug prohibition, not to make someone’s glaucoma or chemotherapy a little more bearable (that’s nice too, but it should be seen as a benefit of ending prohibition).

By: ramjsharma

ramjsharma — Mon, 17 Aug 2009 22:18:45 +0000

America claims to be a ‘free country’, even a beggar in India has more rights than anyone in America, and the airports are just one glaring example of the lack of basic rights in America, while they loudly and constantly advertise ‘Free Country’. It should have already raised everyone’s suspicions, why does America constantly have to advertise ‘freedom’ ? It is because every fundamental freedom in America has been sabotaged and cancelled. Shah Rukh episode is tip of American iceberg. Read this challenging article in http://deshkidarti.com . Find out how India compares to America. We are much more free than them.

By: DdC

DdC — Mon, 17 Aug 2009 20:53:57 +0000

Hempfest: Playing Down Its Tie-Dye Image By Emily Heffter CN Source: Seattle Times August 16, 2009 Washington To give Seattle's annual marijuana festival a more polished, professional look, Hempfest director Vivian McPeak tamed his dreadlocks Saturday, pulling them into a ponytail and topping them with a hat. McPeak and his hairstyle are responding to a culture shift at Hempfest, in its 18th year in Seattle. At the first Hempfest in 1991, 500 protesters gathered at Volunteer Park to push a fringe political agenda. Ron Jeremy and The Herbivores at Seattle Hempfest 2009 US PA: Column: At Woodstock, What If It Was Booze? Carpenter, Paul Morning Call 16 Aug 2009

By: kaptinemo

kaptinemo — Sun, 16 Aug 2009 14:51:26 +0000

WRT the Ruiz article, it seemed to me that he was stating that drug prohibition is moot so long as a (European-descended) Mexican ruling class continuing to hoard the wealth.

As for the RAND study, this looks like “Broken Windows, Lite”…which had produced the very results that have led to prison over-crowding the study seeks to reduce.

They just don’t get it. The wannabe alchemists and social ’scientists’ just won’t give up. No matter how hard they try, they just can’t get that lump of mud (DrugWar) to change into an apple pie (a ‘drug-free’ America). But, so long as we’re willing to foot the bill for their madness, they’ll keep trying.

But that won’t be for long. The money’s running out, and soon there will be loud calls in legislatures around the country for greater fiscal accountability. The tea-bagger stunts are just the beginning. And that means an end to most if not all the policy-tweaking and scavenger hunts for ‘magic bullets’ that only produce more (and even more expensive) failures.

Studies that fail to take into account the ever-contracting economy and all that that implies, and act as if the present system isn’t already dangerously over-strained, are not being terribly realistic. Where will the money for drug courts come from when Joe The Formerly Employed Taxpayer needs unemployment bennies? He’s not going to give a rat’s backside about locking up ‘dopers’, not when the money to do so needs to be in his wallet right now.

So, the ivory tower denizens can dream up crap all they want, but when it comes to the crunch, the crunch will have the upper hand. And that crunch is in the form of an economy that just can’t take any more fiscal black holes gnawing at it…

By: DdC

DdC — Sun, 16 Aug 2009 10:26:45 +0000

It’s Appeasement Bruce, and you are correct sir,
in Utopia. But look around.
We’re far far away in a distant galaxy known as DEAthland.

Do not confuse appeasement with tactfulness or generosity. Appeasement is not consideration for the feelings of others, it is consideration for and compliance with the unjust, irrational and evil feelings of others. It is a policy of exempting the emotions of others from moral judgment, and of willingness to sacrifice innocent, virtuous victims to the evil malice of such emotions.

“The truly and deliberately evil men are a very small minority;
it is the appeaser who unleashes them on mankind.”
– Ayn Rand (1905-1982)

It’s the selfish inherent in some, all or most humans survival I guess, when their comfort zones are threatened. Or they find an easy paycheck. When they are “programmed” to get ahead and be the best at any cost, stepping over the homeless to get to the blue plate special. To their own rewards and the hell with the rest.

White Powders and ignorance along with hallucinogens, same as inexperienced dirt bikers trying back flips, or riding dirt bikes on mescaline, all leads to statistics. Dirt bikes are legal regardless. “Drugs” including plants statistics are to perpetuate mandatory “necessary treatments” for profit. Deprived White Powder Junkies are lower on the food chain, very exploitable and prime tools for LEO.

The RxGanja and Hemp reformers have been selling out stoners for decades. Selling each other out. Most Reverently Using see the same value in the whole species as do most stoners. Probably the chastisers biggest customers. Very forgiving these stoners. Unlike the system reform units totally disassociating themselves with the right to self governance. So Constitutionally you are correct. They shouldn’t. They shouldn’t lie and schedule Ganja and Hemp #1 Narcotics. False advertising, the lemon laws… Like Nixon’s promise of flashbacks, I mean damn how long I gotta wait?

Though ignorance is taught and like the prohibition is actually doing the damage, Its only the results the yellow journalists in the mainstream gossip about. The “proper” church deems most addictions as sins. The sins of addiction are in each one who profits on the misery they cause. The drug worriers, thugs and professional propagandists are the sinners.

I’ve been helping people get Ganja since the 70’s, never made a buck after 72. “Professionally” since 1990, quasi-legally since 96. Loaned a thousand joints out and never got paid back. I’m for needle exchange as a Band-Aid until reality lets the clinics handle it. Heroin Deficiency. Clinical doses the same as any other chemical adulterant. Nothing to do with the Justice stism.

LSD and stronger for mental disorders clinically seems right, I personally feel they are white powders. Natural substances should be the opposite of clinical and initially under the guidance of Entheogenic Masters and their Sha-persons. Like driving instruction. It should be taught to receive the proper experience. Learning OJT with no one to ask wasn’t always fun and could have and has been bummers for many individuals and hundreds serving big time from judges weighing the paper.

So I try to remember it is a war and being right doesn’t mean shit to a bullet. They continue to send kids to shoot other kids over fables they know we know they fabricated, for profit. Junkies and Bustee’s make themselves vulnerable to the machine. It crunches humans then re-cycles them, Its big and red and eats rocks, called a big red rock eater. Reformers appeasing the politikop suckers are like dot commies trying to use the system to control the system only ending up making the system fat and lazy, Eating up the small fries til it burst. After the Banksters with the Treasury funds rode off into the sunset. Boosh tossing money on the war brokers like confetti. Then plants a big wet kiss on a cardboard cutout of PT Barnum, waving bye bye to the loyal ditto’s.

Ganja isn’t a drug and has no business in the discussion, while Hemp is plain business favors to the food and crude monopolies.
No ConPromise!

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By: Pete

Pete — Sun, 16 Aug 2009 05:21:08 +0000

Who is saying that, Bruce?

By: BruceM

BruceM — Sun, 16 Aug 2009 05:14:27 +0000

I don’t see how someone can say there’s a right to use marijuana but not all other drugs.

More “pot is okay, but otherwise the drug war is great!” hypocrisy. Drives me nuts. Medical, spiritual, and “rolling stone concert” use of heroin, cocaine, and LSD is just as legitimate as pot, and just as much of a fundamental right. You know, what of those rights mentioned implicitly in the 9th Amendment, like any other action that doesn’t hurt anyone other than the individual making the decision.

By: DdC

DdC — Sat, 15 Aug 2009 09:58:26 +0000

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